mike52 we are on the western side of the county. near Gaines. shin hollow road to be exact. we can ride into the canyon and beyond from our cabin. I know many of the trails, but my friend seems to know them like the back of his hand. we would surely welcome more riders in our group since it is usually small (3-4). just hope the snow holds up since I can't go up this weekend. If its still there next weekend I will be there. Let me know.