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Old 12-20-2012, 09:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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87 phazer and.need help

hi i got a phazer and i need help wont idle and dies way to hi idle and dont know how tp adjust idle cuz screw is gone and no oil tank and wondering of i mix 40:1 if its ok

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Old 12-20-2012, 10:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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if your idle ajustment screw is gone, you wont ever get it to idle. period.

hard to miss it, it has a white plastic star looking thingy on the end. right hand side of the carb rack if your sitting on the sled. your kicking a dead horse if its actually gone. worst part, if that screw is missing, chances are the switch for the tors is gone as well. neither will work without the other.

although you may be safe at a 40:1 mix, i would play with 32:1 and lean the mixture from there.

on a side note, your opening statement is somewhat contradictory. it either wont idle, or it has too high of idle. lack of idle(beyond missing the adjustment screw) could be dirty carbs. too high of idle could indicate a lean condition. crank seals? carb boots?
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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how wud i lean the idle i know its one and a half turn for normal setting it idles ok when warmed up but first start its to high and wants to move a lil bit the clutch is engageing

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Old 12-20-2012, 11:25 PM   #4 (permalink)
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and wat is tors never herd of that

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Old 12-21-2012, 09:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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there is a big difference between your air/fuel mixture screw and your idle adjustment. set your mixture screw at about 1.5 turns out and then go for the idle screw if you can.

tors is the throttle override system. do a site search, plenty of info on it. there is a chance your throttle cable is too tight or your carbs are either racked or out of sync. almost sounds like your trying to adjust the wrong screws.

your sled should idle around 1600 and the clutch should engage around 3300. if your idling this high, something is wrong and being more descriptive will aid in finding the root of the problem.

if your not idling at around the engagement rpm but much lower, you could have a primary clutch issue.
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it idles right round 3000

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Old 12-21-2012, 05:52 PM   #7 (permalink)
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check the throttle cable adjustment.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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got it runnin today like a top still a problem idleing but give it gas runs and flys i mixed 32:1 ratio for screws turned one and a half and now it hus died runnin it for like a hr or so only had 2 gallons so thinkin it outta gas

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Old 12-21-2012, 06:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You need to replace the screw! Then we can start troubleshooting. I would look on ebay or some online parts store. Good luck!

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i need the size of the opening towards the airbox mine dont have a airbox and need to go pick up 2 aftermarket air filters i need the outter diamiter

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i need the size of the opening towards the airbox mine dont have a airbox and need to go pick up 2 aftermarket air filters i need the outter diamiter

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Use a measuring tape. The filters will have a rubber fitting with a clamp, so if its lets say 1/8 inch it will still fit!

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2 1/2" apprx. you would be better served installing an airbox vs fighting aftermarket filters.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:53 PM   #13 (permalink)
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hey got the ol phazer runnin tip top but have a problem.eating threw gas really bad any help on how to adjust the carbs so it runs smoother and dont bog down

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lots of variables for excessive fuel consumption-jetting, choke adjustment/condition, clutching, snow conditions, etc.

once again i find your symptoms condradictory. "running tip top" but "needs to run smoother and not bog down".

bogging can be caused by carbs or clutches. what did you end up doing to fix the high idle problem?
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i fixed the idle by running mixed instead of straight fuel in it

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I dont believe that engine has oil injection, you should have been running premix all along! Glad you got it goin though. Good luck when the snow comes!
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I dont believe that engine has oil injection, you should have been running premix all along! Glad you got it goin though. Good luck when the snow comes!
The phazers are oil injected.


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This thread made me *facepalm* about 6 times.

You can't fix an idling situation by adding oil to the gas... there should be oil in it already if the injection system is removed. Altering oil ratio should not ever be an answer to getting it idling.

You need the correct airbox or something very similar. The air needs to enter at the same speed and turbulence as the stock airbox or it's going to run strange at different RPMs and be incorrect for the stock jetting.

If you ride as is, you are very likely to blow a good motor.

Get an airbox situated, get the carbs out, clean then, SURGICALLY clean. Check the gaskets. Make sure all settings go back to factory settings and the carbs are bench synched. Fresh plugs. Tighten it all done, make sure you have your idle set correctly (if you haven't got the screw, get one!)
Start from there.
If you want to ride it a few times around the yard as is, be warned, you'll probably lose the motor considering how much seems to be non-existant or unverified with your setup.
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This thread made me *facepalm* about 6 times.

You can't fix an idling situation by adding oil to the gas... there should be oil in it already if the injection system is removed. Altering oil ratio should not ever be an answer to getting it idling.

You need the correct airbox or something very similar. The air needs to enter at the same speed and turbulence as the stock airbox or it's going to run strange at different RPMs and be incorrect for the stock jetting.

If you ride as is, you are very likely to blow a good motor.

Get an airbox situated, get the carbs out, clean then, SURGICALLY clean. Check the gaskets. Make sure all settings go back to factory settings and the carbs are bench synched. Fresh plugs. Tighten it all done, make sure you have your idle set correctly (if you haven't got the screw, get one!)
Start from there.
If you want to ride it a few times around the yard as is, be warned, you'll probably lose the motor considering how much seems to be non-existant or unverified with your setup.
I recall looking at a few 80s phazers i dont think any of them were oil injected.
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Every phazer I've owned had been injected. I've never seen one that wasn't

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