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2007 yamaha phazer problem

well i was alittle anxious and tryed to run the battery charger while cranking i over. Now everything turns on fine but when u go to turn the key to start nothing no clicking of the solenoid nothing but u can cross it and the starter will turn so the starters good. Anyone have any suggestions on what to check the place i bought it wants to charge an arm and a leg when it may be a simple fix.
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Phazer Starting Problem check this

We had same symptoms. Machine started fine in the fall while prepping for winter. Snow arrived, it started fine for week or two then as temps fell off (sled outside) this problem began. I thought "dead battery"...but tested out OK. Took sled into shop. Left it over night. Started fine in the A.M. Took it outside and left it it in cold...problem again..."nothing when I turn the key". SO>>you've probably figured it out by now, but it's your ignition switch! You have moisture in it. Again, yesterday, it did this to me again (cold outside...low teens) so I blew some heat on it with hair dryer for about 5 minutes and it started right up. I'm going to be replacing the ignition switch this week.

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We had same symptoms. Machine started fine in the fall while prepping for winter. Snow arrived, it started fine for week or two then as temps fell off (sled outside) this problem began. I thought "dead battery"...but tested out OK. Took sled into shop. Left it over night. Started fine in the A.M. Took it outside and left it it in cold...problem again..."nothing when I turn the key". SO>>you've probably figured it out by now, but it's your ignition switch! You have moisture in it. Again, yesterday, it did this to me again (cold outside...low teens) so I blew some heat on it with hair dryer for about 5 minutes and it started right up. I'm going to be replacing the ignition switch this week.
Hey...it's doing it again...not starting...I removed switch, applied heat to warm it up/dry it out...checked switch for continuity..that was OK..(I now don't think it is the switch)....re-installed..still no start. Now getting service engine light and code 11..."cylinder ID sensor problem"...Service manual calls for checking all connections, and/or replace sensor. Too cold to work outside...have to get it inside...perform complete diagnostic, repair, clear code history. I'll have to remove tank, etc. to check the various connections. (NOTE: I had some of these connectors apart this summer while removing tank to replace exhaust seals and plugs...must of not put connectors back together very well...or must check routing of wires for chafe..????)

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Hey...it's doing it again...not starting...I removed switch, applied heat to warm it up/dry it out...checked switch for continuity..that was OK..(I now don't think it is the switch)....re-installed..still no start. Now getting service engine light and code 11..."cylinder ID sensor problem"...Service manual calls for checking all connections, and/or replace sensor. Too cold to work outside...have to get it inside...perform complete diagnostic, repair, clear code history. I'll have to remove tank, etc. to check the various connections. (NOTE: I had some of these connectors apart this summer while removing tank to replace exhaust seals and plugs...must of not put connectors back together very well...or must check routing of wires for chafe..????)
WAIT! Well...checked wiring...performed test on sensors (all OK)...cleared fault code (11)...still not starting...so, I went back to switch theory...Wiggled Key up and down in switch and Phazer came to life...YEA...Switch Problem...Rode it all day...turning it on/off...it failed a couple times but just wiggled key and it started up again...gonna replace switch tomorrow...(Don't understand how fault code 11 came onto console...it led me on a wild goose chase...I think! Stay tuned.)

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Same problem here, gone from clicking to nothing after sitting outside not used for 3 weeks. Very cold here in Manitoba, sled is in garage now with heat on and on a trickle charge. Hope it will start once warm, but very interested in the proper solution because I didn't buy it to ride in the summer.

edit: after 2 hours in shop, solenoid started clicking, then it started. I'm sure we have same problem, any advice greatly appreciated.
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Phaser Starting Issue

After many hours playing with this problem, I found it was not the starter switch. I finally ended up at repair tech (local shop...I thought was reliable). They put in shop, it'd start. Pull it out into cold, let it set. Would not start. Finally THEY diagnosed STARTER...big mistake. I won't tell you what they charged me for this! When it was all done, New Starter and all...still acting up so they replaced STARTER RELAY...a $50 part...do it yourself....it works fine now. I was pissed at these guys! (Anyone need a perfectly GOOD starter? I have an extra one!).

Apparently moisture gets inside this Relay Switch, which acts like a selinoid (don't hassle me about my spelling)...and the moisture mess up the relay switch...it's on the harness, right side, just above the fuse block...Yamaha part #3EL-81940-02...black w/rubber mount isolator. Suggestion given to me...take the relay off, take it into house and dry it out (somehow). hairdryer, or put in oven on low...??? Be careful with that!....???? ////this may get you back on the trail, but also keep in mind that the moisture inside may have created some corrosion and may have caused some cracking of the seal/case in which case moisture will re-enter.

Bottom line...I replaced the starter relay and haven't had any problems since then.

Good luck....Wife LOVES her sled...won't give it up....

MIKE

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Thank you so much Mike. Sorry you had to go through such an ordeal, but the fact you would take the time to explain this and save someone else the headache says alot about your character. You're a good man!
The part number was in Yamaha's system and it was an easy swap. Multipin connector was corroded so I sprayed some deoxit on it (best contact cleaner in my opinion), haven't had sled out of garage yet, but I'm confident based on the results you've had.
Good Karma should be coming your way, happy trails and cheers!
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