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Old 11-04-2010, 06:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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best trail sled

hey guys. what sled would you suggest for a good trail sled. dont have lots of wide open spaces to ride but miles of sweet dirtbike trails around here. wanting something w/ lots of suspension, not too big, snappy, and low maintenence. dont need high speeds, or high tech. mid 80s-early 90s budget. simple to work on for a first time sled owner (rider). is there a sled out there like this? i want to be able to have the fun i have on my d-bike when theres snow on the ground. and no, i dont want a 4 wheeler. any advice? thanks, bford
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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late 80s early 90s polaris indy trail... its even got TRAIL in its name how much more better can you get... 80s models sometimes have 440s but other than those most are 500s (well actually 488cc) but they scoot pretty well. personally i love them
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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something with the polaris 340/440 liquid and a skid rail suspension- I don't know any specifics about these models, but I know that's about what you want.

So, what exactly is your budget? My guess, about $500? If you can stretch $800, then you could probably find a late 90's Skidoo MXZ 500 with about 5-6k miles.

An older (mid 90's) Polaris XCR 440 would be prime too.... but those usually run around $1k for something worth buying.
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Old 11-04-2010, 08:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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"mid 80s-early 90s" isn't gonna get you much as far as suspension travel, 6-8 inches tops. I too would recommend a Polaris Indy, a 340, 400, or 440. An ideal "not too big, snappy, and low maintenence" sled! An 'Indy Trail' would probably work well for you.
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:19 PM   #5 (permalink)
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first where are you from? prices change from state to state. like here in Upper Michigan my father in law got a 98 indy trail for 500 bucks last year. that is a great sled for trails. xtra 10 suspension, 136 inch track and a 488 motor. great on gas. there is a huge difference from that 136 track to my 121. the 136 takes alost half the small bumps from the trails away from what you would get from a 121. but cat makes a nice trail sled also. Pantera i think. or even a jag 440 would be nice like a 93 or so. cats suspension is better in the 90's till polaris came out with the xtra 10.
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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No Pantera for what he wants to do, a Z440 or ZR500/600 would be better, suspension is upgradeable to even newer for much more travel.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:39 AM   #7 (permalink)
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im in upstate ny. my budget is whatever i can get for the 2 81 jag 4000s i just got together. sounds like the indy trail is the sled im lookin for.?. what should i be looking to get for the 2 81 a/c jag 4000s. 120 psi compression. just a bit smokey. good tracks start right up 2nd pull. id say they are in 7 out of 10 condition as far as the hood condition and 9/10 for the rest of the sled. thanks, bradford
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$400-500 would be about right.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:04 PM   #9 (permalink)
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after looking at them the pantera is more of 2 up ice fishing sled.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:28 PM   #10 (permalink)
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what should i be looking to get for the 2 81 a/c jag 4000s. 120 psi compression. just a bit smokey. good tracks start right up 2nd pull. id say they are in 7 out of 10 condition as far as the hood condition and 9/10 for the rest of the sled. thanks, bradford
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Indy Trail is a good recommendation. Sounds like the trails you want to ride are hilly, bumpy and fairly tight. You want a pretty simple sled, not heavy, and for good turning you'll want a short track and wide ski stance. That leaves you a lot of different models. Your Jags are actually excellent sleds for tight trail riding.

Others that do well in close terrain, for short money are Yamaha Phazers, SRV's, Ovations, and SS440's, Arctic Cat Jags and Cougars, Ski Doo Citations and Safaris, any fan-cooled Polaris Indy with a short track, and if you're into orphan sleds there are MANY; for example the John Deere Spitfire is an AWESOME tight trail sled as long as you keep it moving!

Hope this is some help to you.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Spitfires are EXTREMELY light, direct drive sleds. They had a dry weight of onlly about 275lbs!! But the suspension technology is really old for what you're looking for.
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Old 11-06-2010, 06:33 AM   #13 (permalink)
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But the suspension technology is really old for what you're looking for.
Very good point! However, I've found that in tight trail riding the speeds are seldom enough to overwork even the most early slide suspensions. My buddy and his wife in Winterport, Maine had two Spitfires. I used to leave my Panther behind and borrow one of their Spitfires. We went EVERYWHERE on those, through swamps, down foot paths, etc. Speeds were never high enough so bump absorption became a problem.

I've had a lot of my most fun rides at less than 30 MPH!
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Old 11-06-2010, 08:12 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I have to agree with most replies above, the Polaris indy's seem to be the one you need. There are about a gazillion of these out there and even more more parts and mods out there.
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Old 11-06-2010, 01:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i wouldn't look into a srv or any of them. stay with a 90 or newer sled. if you was going to get a srv or spitfire like stated above you'd be better off keeping what ya got. don't get me wrong stratoman they are good old sleds but not sure what he is looking for. I still would say a indy trail or a cat. but i would go with the 136 track indy if you could. you can still move them around just fine but they take a lot more of the bumps out than a 121 would. What i would recommend first is to sell the sleds you have now and see what kind of cash your going to be working with first.
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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136" makes for wider turns though..
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Old 11-06-2010, 09:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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136" makes for wider turns though..
I didn't think so, but the one i rode a few times wasn't studded and i could get it to slide around the corners just fine. Really it all depends on what he is looking for. for a more comfortable ride i would get a 136 for a faster and sharp corner ride get a 121. Most the time i ride the girls are with us on the long trail rides so we only do around 30 anyways so your not hitting the corners at mach 1 anyways lol
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Old 11-06-2010, 10:18 PM   #18 (permalink)
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a 136 of that age is probably gonna push in the corners really bad for what he's trying to do. Depending on the sled he gets, it may be hard to get decent carbides to help any.

And from my experience, I don't think that they 'bridge' the bumps that much better to specifically seek one out for that sole purpose.
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:27 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Not saying to seek it out but the 98's or so have the 136 stock. thats the indy trail. i would say whatever he gets to look for a polaris with a xtra 10 or 12. Or a cat 93 or so and up.
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98 xcf 440 (wifes sled)
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96 XCR 440 clutched (sold)
92 indy 500 bored,clutched. piped(sold)
85 indy 400 (11 y/o son's sled)(sold)
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:42 PM   #20 (permalink)
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My Srvs are great on the trails, light, quick and suspension is not horrible. The tss was used for quite a few years. Looking on craigslist right now there are some in decent shape for 500 dollars. The phazer is another great option for a fixed budget. My 89 srv whips my neighbors newer Indy 500.
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