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600 ace is it enough?

I've been researching the 600 ace. I am a relative newcomer to sledding (5 years) and currently own a couple 1990 safaris, a 377 and a 467. A lot of what I am reading is people hating on it because its 60 hp. my single carb 467 is in the low 50 hp range and it seems to pull its bulk pretty good corner to corner. Here in central Ontario, the trails are fairly tight with long straightaways pretty rare. I ride with a couple people with bigger sled budgets than me. One rides a yamaha nytro and the other 2 ride skidoos, a 500ss and a 600 etec. None of these guys can shake me off their tail in the woods. The longer straights are a different story but most straights keep speed under 65mph (which is about all I got) and speed limit here in Ontario is 30mph, not that anyone seems to pay attention to that.
I got thinking last season, as I was dumping more gas and oil into my dinosaur, do I really need more than 60 hp. especially if its in a modern chassis that wont have me guzzling ibuprofen to combat trail chop? After experiencing the dreaded 2 stroke burndown a couple times, it seems like the 4 stroke is the way to go
I'd like to hear from anyone that owns one of these because I have sled on the brain and one of these days I'm going to scrape together enough scratch to update my ride.

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Keep in mind 4 strokes are a good bit heavier then 2 strokes. Id look for a bigger 4 stroke to compensate it. And they're a bear to unstick

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Actually, not a huge difference in weight between the 2 strokes and modern 4 strokes.
The biggest difference you will notice is the throttle response [or lack of it].
That said, all the reviews say that it is a good entry level sled and trail cruiser that sips gas and has a decent ride.
The nice thing is that if you decide that later on you need "MORE POWER", bolt on a turbo and new ecu and instant increase of nearly double the hp.

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I would check out the 900 ace. After you become very confident on that sled you will probably start to hate that 60 hp too. I have to agree with aduck, 4strokes are heavier, even if by a small margin, you WILL notice it when you get stuck

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Are you looking to buy new?

If so, the 600 E-tec doesn't add much to the price, gets about the same fuel mileage (yeah, amazing huh?), and has a lower maintenance schedule. AND, it cranks out double the HP.

You're right, people tend to think bigger is better, but in reality, most riding isn't done at WoT. I drove a Touring 380 for years and years (still have it) and the only reason I ever wished it had the 500 was deep powder snow. However, I recently replaced the old comet clutch with a newer TRS on that thing and it doesn't bury itself anymore in the deep stuff. It slows down, but it keeps going.

I've been looking at buying a new Skidoo and looking close at the motors. I'm really liking the specs on the 600 e-tec. Double the HP of the 600 ACE and it still gets 21 MPG vs the 600 ACE's rated 28 MPG.

600 Ace = 60 HP
600 e-tec = 120 HP
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The 600 ace is quite a shame. My stock 2007 Yamaha Phazer 500cc puts out a little over 90hp.

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Until you realize where their market is for this. There are some places that require a 4 stroke motor. The 600 ACE is probably the lightest and cheapest 4 stroke on the market.

You're right, why would anyone get a 600 ACE when you can double the HP for roughly $1600 US and still get pretty close to the same fuel economy.
Or staying in the Skidoo line, the 550F puts out 65 HP and is less expensive.

It all goes back to "4 stroke required"
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If you just trail ride and plan on keeping it for an extended time then the 4 stroke is a great choice. The 4 strokes lifespan is much longer than a two stroke. Also no oil to carry , no smell , quieter, and better resale. I don't think you would be happy with the 600 ace though. After you get use to your sled you won't be happy with the power of the ace on long trail especially when you cross a lake or on a fire road. Most trails don't stay in the tight and twisties. The 900 would be a better choice. Check out Doo Talk and look at the 4 stroke forum and you will find tons of info on all doos 4 strokes. I switched to a 1200 4 tec from a 600 2 stroke and I love my 1200 renegade x. It is hands down the best trail sled I have ever ridden. Good luck with your choices and for sure take a look at the 900.
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Not sure about that 900 ACE either. Cost just $500 less than the 600 E-Tec and puts out just 90 HP.

E-Tech 2 stroke technology is truly amazing. The amount of oil it burns is very small compared to yesterdays 2 strokes.

In a comparison, I don't really know how many actual miles we went, but over 2 days of riding I filled up my gas tank 4 times and the oil once (Almost a full gallon of oil burned.) compared to my buddy running an e-tec that decided to top off his gas tank because he wasn't sure he'd make it back and his oil reservoir was darn near in-measureable. Maybe 1/2" down from when we started, which would be about 2 ounces. I was riding a 1995 Summit 583 and he was running a 600 e-tec in a MXz.
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I agree that the etec is amazing but I'm not too sure once you get 4000 plus miles on it. I know my buddies have 10,000 miles on their 1200 4 strokes and they say mileage and speed gets better as miles add up. Etec buddies say after they get the miles up there they are always thinking about if the motor is going to let go when crossing a lake ect. The reason I went with the 4 stroke is I expect to keep it along time. If I could afford to upgrade every 2 to 3 years maybe I would look at an etec but for now I will stick to my tried and true 1200 4 tec. As far as the 900 goes it will do 90 plus and pulls real well to 75 plus. I personally can't say a lot about the 900 as I have never owned one.
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