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11-30-2012, 04:56 PM
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Waiting for snow in PA
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Make sure you use quality fuel line with good clamps to replace old fuel lines... Not vacuum line. And vice versa. Never fuel line where vacuum lines go. There IS a difference!!! (just to help you avoid a few headaches.)
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1994 Polaris 440 Sport with Xtra10
1996 Polaris XLT with Xtra12
1996 Polaris Indy Lite GT
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11-30-2012, 05:17 PM
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What were the results of the compression test?
Oh and I still have them Carbs too.
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11-30-2012, 05:45 PM
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F.K.A. MOUSE72
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I didnt read all posts, but did you drain the crankcase under exaust manifold. There should be 2- 10mm bolts for 2 cylinder and 3 on a triple. The needle and seats are junk letting fuel dump into crankcase. I had that problem a lot cuz i would always forget to shut my fuel offwhen done riding.
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11-30-2012, 06:01 PM
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havnt borrowed compression tester. ironic someone said oreilly has them (to loan) for free because there is one about to open a mile down the road! does autozone do it too? Ill drain the crankcase tomarrow. i blew in and out of the pump and could hear he thing moving back and forth. i blew just in and no air was escaping, im going to stick with it for now. we will see where we get. hopefully we get an idle!
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11-30-2012, 06:42 PM
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No auto store loans tools for free. The loan a tool program is you buy the tool, you use the tool, you return the tool, you get a full refund.
If there is a harbor frieght by you, they have a nice compression test kit for about 15 bucks.
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11-30-2012, 06:50 PM
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auto zone lends tools. you pay the fee + deposit. you get the deposit back when you return them. there used tools but usually high end tools. we have done this before
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11-30-2012, 07:34 PM
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I find with a lot of old polaris sleds, the electrical conectors get corroded,,,and the crank case needs drained...pilot jets..float levels ...get a baseline, and i'm not certain, but i think priming the engine with fuek mix from a squeeze bottle a better bet than starting fluid...good luck....i'm messing with scorps and jlos...yahoo hoo...i've got an 83 indy trail on deck..
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11-30-2012, 07:40 PM
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Waiting for snow in PA
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1994 Polaris 440 Sport with Xtra10
1996 Polaris XLT with Xtra12
1996 Polaris Indy Lite GT
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11-30-2012, 07:50 PM
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Location: Berkley, MI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcountrysg
No auto store loans tools for free. The loan a tool program is you buy the tool, you use the tool, you return the tool, you get a full refund.
If there is a harbor frieght by you, they have a nice compression test kit for about 15 bucks.
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Actually, that is not right. O'reily does loan tools for nothing. You have to put a deposit down, but you get it back when you return the tool. Zero cost. It's where I get a compression gauge if I need one.
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11-30-2012, 08:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XLT Spartan
Actually, that is not right. O'reily does loan tools for nothing. You have to put a deposit down, but you get it back when you return the tool. Zero cost. It's where I get a compression gauge if I need one.
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But it is not free, you have to pay, but yes you get all your money back when you return the tool.
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11-30-2012, 08:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigcountrysg
But it is not free, you have to pay, but yes you get all your money back when you return the tool.
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Do we really need to have an argument over the semantics of what constitutes free? They loan the tool for free. There is no "fee". You have to give a deposit, and you get it back. That equals free.
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11-30-2012, 08:25 PM
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#52 (permalink)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joshkidner
havnt borrowed compression tester. ironic someone said oreilly has them (to loan) for free because there is one about to open a mile down the road! does autozone do it too? Ill drain the crankcase tomarrow. i blew in and out of the pump and could hear he thing moving back and forth. i blew just in and no air was escaping, im going to stick with it for now. we will see where we get. hopefully we get an idle!
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Compression test would make sense to do... Low compression = hard starting and is sometimes overcome by using starter fluid or dumping a little gas directly into the cylinder.
I agree with the statements made earlier that "appearing" ok and being ok are not necessarily related. While the pump may actually not be leaking, it could have varnish or "gunk" in it that is preventing it from working correctly.
Rebuilding the pump is cheap. I bought four or five Winderosa pump rebuild kits last season in a batch. If you have the round pump, and want / need one, I'll gladly send you one for $8 shipped via US Mail.
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11-30-2012, 08:32 PM
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haha. anyway to do tomarrow: get compression tester, new gas in the gas can ( and make some premix in a bottle) replace lines and put fuel pump back on, drain ALL of the old gas, including whats in the carb bowls, fill them with fresh gas through the overflow with a syringe, spray some premix and hope for the best. got a "new" pipe/silencer and a whole new wire harness. got my work cut out for me! I feel i have an extreme level of knowlage for being 16 and only owning a sled for one year! thanks for all the help everyone!
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11-30-2012, 08:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by meburdick
Compression test would make sense to do... Low compression = hard starting and is sometimes overcome by using starter fluid or dumping a little gas directly into the cylinder.
I agree with the statements made earlier that "appearing" ok and being ok are not necessarily related. While the pump may actually not be leaking, it could have varnish or "gunk" in it that is preventing it from working correctly.
Rebuilding the pump is cheap. I bought four or five Winderosa pump rebuild kits last season in a batch. If you have the round pump, and want / need one, I'll gladly send you one for $8 shipped via US Mail.
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thanks, but it looked new inside. it should work perfect. ill take you up on that deal if it still dont wrk tommarrow. gonna clean pilot jets tomrrow also.
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11-30-2012, 08:41 PM
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One thing you might want to do is to pull the carbs off - try to keep them pretty level when you do - then check to see how much gas is in each bowl. If you can manage to keep it level while removing the four screws that hold the bowl to the body, that would be ideal. then you'll be able to see if the bowls are almost full.
If the bowls don't have an appreciable amount of fuel in them, you could have a number of issues, including bad seats / needles, bent or mis-adjusted float arms, stuck floats, plugged fuel lines, etc.
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11-30-2012, 08:49 PM
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Waiting for snow in PA
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Location: Mineral Virginia
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Just a word of caution !!!
The 600 XLT engine when properly tuned runs pretty dam good, and left stock is basically bullet proof. Unless you are highly experienced I would not recommend toying with the exhaust other than changing OEM parts.
There are 3 things that will kill a 600 Fuji faster than you will realize, and that is:
Jetting
Clutch work
Exhaust
If you get it right then you are fine. If you don't get it right have a bucket handy to pick up the pieces when it lets loose.
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Thanks! TJ
1994 Polaris 440 Sport with Xtra10
1996 Polaris XLT with Xtra12
1996 Polaris Indy Lite GT
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11-30-2012, 08:51 PM
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let me add the sled only has approx. 2200miles on it. when i cleaned the carbs last week (when it wasnt running still) the bowls were full. my goal is to put my sled in a 4/5 condition. thats why i bought parts. plan on pulling the motor and scrubbing EVERYTHING! Also, either a new hood or handlebar extensions. the hood is not stock and scrapes on the bars. i think the hood is plastic rather than fiberglass. its also gonna get some fresh paint! any suggestions on color?
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11-30-2012, 08:55 PM
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#58 (permalink)
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I just did a complete carb clean and rebuild on a 96 Ultra. They were pretty gummed up with gunk when I got them. After 12 hours each in the dip, thorough rinsing, and some spray carb cleaner, I put them all back together. No new parts.
I re-sync'ed the throttle and the choke plungers and re-installed them on the sled. Compression test showed 120 on all three cylinders.
It took about 15 pulls to get it started, but it ran great. I know that, once you solve this issue, you can tune your carbs correctly and get it running nice.
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11-30-2012, 08:55 PM
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Location: muskegon michigan
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and its a triblock^ non-xlt. pipe (single and stock) and silencer are off a 97xlt (wedge chasis obviously) along with the wire harness. can add handwarmers if i want  the wirin on it is rigged to shhh*** and half of it is missing. what is left is spliced together. this sled is an 87 indy 600. look in my pictures (or my profile pic) got x10 with fox shocks too. i love it (but not the work!)
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12-01-2012, 03:47 PM
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Location: muskegon michigan
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welp my plans to work on the sled went awry. we had a huge family fight today, and my step dads pretty upset with me. anyway im probably gonna have to wait til i can go to the bank and pay for what i need myself. hopefully by monday. sighhhhh
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