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01-10-2008, 04:47 PM
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XC Sled Dog
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vadnais Heights, MN
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Two-stroke oil - which brand is the best?
I just read what Indy700 wrote in his 'torque' thread, but I wanted to title this to get as many answers as possible.
I have read that Phillips makes a great oil that is also inexpensive. I don't want to shell out for Amsoil all the time, so I want to know the best oil from a Consumer Reports standpoint; cost, quality, performance, smell, etc.
What are you guys buying, how much per quart, and why?
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01-10-2008, 05:10 PM
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I am Spartacus
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I only run Klotz synthetic, but as far as regular oil, any TCW-3 rated oil is good.
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01-10-2008, 05:22 PM
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On Wisconsin!!!
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I personally use Polaris Premium Blend. Its a semi-synthetic and you can buy it for $20 a gallon.
I used to use Polaris Blue, but Blend replaced Blue, so thats what I use now.
Ive tried synthetics in the past (Polaris VES and VES II) and I honestly think that Blend works just as well and is much cheaper.
If you were going with a synthetic, Id say Klotz is the best. It has better performance specs than Amsoil and IMO has a much more pleasent odor. Klotz makes your exhaust smell like race gas. My brother used to run Amsoil Interceptor in his Pro-X and that stuff stunk. Also, if the wind blew just right to blow the smoke in your eyes, it would make them water and burn.
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01-10-2008, 07:29 PM
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FORGET WORK- I WANNA PLAY
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Originally Posted by smallengineguy
I only run Klotz synthetic, but as far as regular oil, any TCW-3 rated oil is good.
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I use yamalube.
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01-10-2008, 07:52 PM
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I use the amsoil interceptor and I pay about $29.00 a gallon.
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01-10-2008, 08:05 PM
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I run good ole castrol gosnow cheap bout $15 for a lil more than a gallon it works fine never ever had a problem with it doesnt burn your eyes you can get it anywere so thats wut i use if you have power valves run sythetic or you will have to clean the valves more
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01-11-2008, 01:42 AM
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Brian
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Lakeville,MN
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I use Cenex SnowMax Sin-blend, 36.00 a case(12), or SnowMax PV full-sin for 54.00 a case(12)
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01-11-2008, 01:59 AM
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Above The Arctic Circle
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Canadian Tire special $15 for four litres. lol
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01-11-2008, 07:49 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
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I have read several cautions about "mixing" brands of oil. Is this really a risk, if i wish to change brands?
Which type of oil will minimize exhaust valve carbon buildup? Is brand (Polaris?) important for this also? ...or just type/quality of oil?
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01-11-2008, 12:35 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2007
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I hate to admit it, but I have gone as low as running citgo brand 2 stroke oil. I always run cheap junk. Right now I have a mix of Polaris oil, Artic Blue Oil, Citgo Oil, and Pennzoil. so far no problems.
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01-11-2008, 01:09 PM
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Michigan Member
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Location: Montague Michigan.
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Ive been running Walmarts $8.34 a gallon Supertech 2 stroke oil now for the past 3 years with no problems at all. It has the same tcw-3 rating like the others so its been tested. And actually theres only a couple of oil companies out there making 2 stroke.
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01-11-2008, 01:42 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: NW Wisconsin
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I also run Wal-mart super tech 2 cyl. oil it is TCW3 and have had no problems with it for 5 years about $7 a gallon here, the only thing I don't like about it is the smell is not the greatest but for the price I can live with it. With me and my 2 kids riding I go through about a gallon every 2 weeks.
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01-11-2008, 01:45 PM
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XC Sled Dog
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vadnais Heights, MN
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I myself bought a gallon of the Fleet Farm two stroke oil and have run that without blowing anything up for the last several years.
I Googled TC-W3 oils to find out a little more about them. It turns out that Pennzoil manufactures and bottles the Walmart brand Supertec oil.
Here is a link to a SnowGoer article on oils,
Choosing A 2-Stroke Oil
This is an excellent article from Snowmobile@Off Road.com about oils, very imformative.
Snowmobile Oils - Don't Get Snowed - - Snowmobile at Off-Road.com
I am 34 years old and am comfortable saying that I have become my father; a world class cheapskate. I just might checkout that Walmart oil.
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01-11-2008, 01:47 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: NW Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Jimboat
Which type of oil will minimize exhaust valve carbon buildup? Is brand (Polaris?) important for this also? ...or just type/quality of oil?
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jimboat if you are running 2 cycle oil what exhaust valves are you possibly talking about???
Ok I just read about some kind of variable exhaust valves but I have never heard of them before or have never seen a exhaust valve in a 2 cycle engine, the newest sled I own is a 1996, go figure.
I also have become my father, and am a first class cheap skate also. I read TCW3 maybe is not the greatest for a high rev'ing snowmobile, but like I said I have never had a burn't piston or any other problem with it since I got my John Deere 440 LiquiFire in the late 1980's when at that time I ran TCW2 and now the TCW3 is even better oil. I guess if I ever broke down and bought a newer sled and paid thousands of dollars I would buy the better oil. The most expensive sled I have ever owned I paid $800 for.
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Last edited by eriksat1; 01-11-2008 at 02:24 PM.
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01-11-2008, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ENR_Kyle20
I hate to admit it, but I have gone as low as running citgo brand 2 stroke oil. I always run cheap junk. Right now I have a mix of Polaris oil, Artic Blue Oil, Citgo Oil, and Pennzoil. so far no problems.
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sweet  The motor doesn't know the difference, just like when we eat breakfast for dinner
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01-11-2008, 05:35 PM
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PFS-Pray For Snow!!!!!!!!
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: South Dakota
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I have been running Valvoline, but have thought about switching.... Is there a difference between 2-stroke TCW3 oil as opposed to 2-stroke TCW3 INJECTOR oil?
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01-11-2008, 06:41 PM
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FORGET WORK- I WANNA PLAY
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Originally Posted by Jimboat
I have read several cautions about "mixing" brands of oil. Is this really a risk, if i wish to change brands?
Which type of oil will minimize exhaust valve carbon buildup? Is brand (Polaris?) important for this also? ...or just type/quality of oil?
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I hope not I mixed yamalube with red oil(possibly Synthetic)I don't know what the guy had in there when I purchased the sled? So far no problems.
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01-11-2008, 10:18 PM
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GO GREEN OR GO HOME!
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i run amsoil hp injector, no bad smell 24 bucks a gallon. and love it.
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01-11-2008, 10:19 PM
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GO GREEN OR GO HOME!
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Originally Posted by ENR_Kyle20
I hate to admit it, but I have gone as low as running citgo brand 2 stroke oil. I always run cheap junk. Right now I have a mix of Polaris oil, Artic Blue Oil, Citgo Oil, and Pennzoil. so far no problems.
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pennzoil cooked my buddies xcsp 600 in about 2.5 tanks of fuel, not to mention the valves looked like raw sewage.
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01-12-2008, 12:33 AM
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Injector oil is prediluted to flow easier through the pump.
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