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Old 07-14-2012, 08:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Best new mountain sled? :)

Hey all, just thought I would start a fun discussion about what the best new (2012 or 2013) Mountain sled is and why. Thought it would be fun to see which one is liked best! I like the Pro RMKs.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I actually have 2 162 Pro RMKs on order. The waiting is killed me.
I like the Pros obviously, I am waiting to see how the floating skid on the Skidoo works out. They tried something similar to that a number of years ago and the sleds started developing cracks in the tunnel and track support braces.
Wasn't real impressed with the Cats.
As for the Nytro. i rode the stock nytro and the turbo nytro.
I haven't worked that hard to ride a sled in 12 years. The long track nytro just doesn't handle in deep snow. It trenches like crazy and the track is in full command of the front end. It is a pain to get it to turn and maneuver in tight trees.
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Old 07-14-2012, 09:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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thanks for the reply. I have rarely heard anything good about Nytros
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Old 07-14-2012, 10:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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thanks for the reply. I have rarely heard anything good about Nytros
oh you can make a turbo nytro run as good as any 2 stroke out there.
I have ridden one that was fantastic.
But, you have to drop around 5 grand into redesigning the sled.
New front end.
New shocks to fit the front end.
New skis
Change the exhaust.
Change the running boards.
Change out the skid.

THEN you have a pretty good sled.
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I just couldn't justify spending 20k on a sled so that I could get it to do what a 12k sled would already do.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:24 AM   #5 (permalink)
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As of right now I don't think anyone can touch the new rmk pro's. I cant wait to get a leg over the new XM, to see if it solved the sidehilling problems ski doo has had. Guess I'll just have to wait till the white stuff fly's till I can say what one is better.


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Old 08-11-2012, 07:59 PM   #6 (permalink)
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As of right now I don't think anyone can touch the new rmk pro's. I cant wait to get a leg over the new XM, to see if it solved the sidehilling problems ski doo has had. Guess I'll just have to wait till the white stuff fly's till I can say what one is better.


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sidehillling problem? I didn't know they had one.... intresting
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As of right now I don't think anyone can touch the new rmk pro's. I cant wait to get a leg over the new XM, to see if it solved the sidehilling problems ski doo has had. Guess I'll just have to wait till the white stuff fly's till I can say what one is better.


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With Doo signing Bret Rasmussen to ride for them this year they should get some real good feedback on any issues and how to solve them.
Bret knows how to make a sled work in the mountains.
I was shocked that he made the jump from cat, but from what I have read, I think he jumped before the ship went down.
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I think Brett signing with them this year will make a huge difference with how the handle in years to come.

But there is part of me that wonders if the T-motion is going to make it harder if it's not a real aggressive rider cause what if it leans the wrong way. Like on a down hill where you turn and go back up hill.


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Old 08-11-2012, 08:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Its intresting that first Chris Burandt and now Bret have both switched from Cat.
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Old 08-11-2012, 08:36 PM   #10 (permalink)
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The "T" motion skid is an interesting idea. I think it will make it easier for an average rider to sidehill and do slow tight turns, but if your a real aggressive rider it might make it harder to control. Imagine going from a harder snow in the trees to a softer snow in the sunny areas between the trees. Will that cause the skid to rock back and forth while sidehilling?

As for everyone jumping ship from cat.
I think cats sled division isn't doing that great.
With SkiDoo sueing em, if Cat loses, I don't know how much the settlement will be but it will definetly hurt them.
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm not sure if that will make it rock back and forth but only way to know is to ride one yourself.

How do you think the belt drive system on the new rmk pro's is going to work. Seems like a good idea to me that should be more reliable but only time will tell with that too.


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The belt drive has been being run for years as an aftermarket add on.
It was a common thing to see in drop and roll systems.
They were just real expensive.
Polaris bought the rights to it from the original manufacturer.
We were discussing why the manufacturers didn't just go to the aftermarket makers and buy the rights instead of doing all the R+D and making a product that isn't as good as the aftermarket item. Apparently Polaris figured this out.
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Old 08-14-2012, 01:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I hope it works ok good cause the next sled I want to buy is a rmk pro but I have one more season before I can afford to buy one guess the good old m7 is going to have to do till I can afford one.
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Yea I was wondering about the belt drive as well seems like a good idea to me
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I think polaris will be ahead of the pack for the next few years. The only thing i worry about is how well this belt drive will hold up. Heard some interesting stories about the belts breaking on the guys who really tear up early season terrain on the assaults. Just not as strong as a chain. Also, with the skidoos the t-motion suspension sits on one pivot point and who knows how well thats gunna hold up. From my experience so far all I see out there is rmk's, xp summits (great sled), and last generation M8's. Rarely will I see the new cats and the nytro's. Usually right after a big storm youll see the nytros out there for the big chutes...but not sure how fun they are tryna get around in the trees. My next sled is either a 2008-20011 summit xp or a 2011-2012 RMK.
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I think polaris will be ahead of the pack for the next few years. The only thing i worry about is how well this belt drive will hold up. Heard some interesting stories about the belts breaking on the guys who really tear up early season terrain on the assaults. Just not as strong as a chain. Also, with the skidoos the t-motion suspension sits on one pivot point and who knows how well thats gunna hold up. From my experience so far all I see out there is rmk's, xp summits (great sled), and last generation M8's. Rarely will I see the new cats and the nytro's. Usually right after a big storm youll see the nytros out there for the big chutes...but not sure how fun they are tryna get around in the trees. My next sled is either a 2008-20011 summit xp or a 2011-2012 RMK.
There were a couple problems with the belt drive.
For one, the bonding agent they used to bond the output shaft to the actually drive shaft was weak and allowed the output shaft to spin INSIDE the main drive shaft. This was a recall issue and was resolved. Haven't had a problem with mine since and I am NOT kind to my sleds.

As for belts breaking.
The break in period on this belt drive is critical.
You are supposed to put 100miles on it before you go nuts.
The first 100 miles puts a high grade "polish" on the drive belt gears.
This allows the belt to move freely without any binding or "gouging" of the belt.

Those that had issues with the belt stripping cogs was because they didn't do the break in period. They did the old "break it in like ya stole it" and that does NOT work on this sled. Of those that broke it in properly I haven't heard of one issue. The only instance I have heard of a belt breaking is when the drive shaft spun and allowed the lower belt drive gear "twist" and it sheared the belt in two.
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Thats some good info thank you. Do you think these pro's motors are reliable. i kno polaris has had some rough spots with there engines with the 700 800 900 big blocks and the edge chassis 800's crank issues. I have a 700 liberty from a 1999 rmk and she runs like a dream. whats your take? Even if these engines were your typical 2500 then rebuild....polaris has the chassis strength and ergonmics down to a T. I know I've heard of skidoo having ring issues and people buying aftermarket pistons with dual rings???? How much lighter of riding did you have to do in order to break in that belt?
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I think Polaris still needs to work on the engine some, seeing as mtntk is still making the fix kit for the 2013s.
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Thats some good info thank you. Do you think these pro's motors are reliable. i kno polaris has had some rough spots with there engines with the 700 800 900 big blocks and the edge chassis 800's crank issues. I have a 700 liberty from a 1999 rmk and she runs like a dream. whats your take? Even if these engines were your typical 2500 then rebuild....polaris has the chassis strength and ergonmics down to a T. I know I've heard of skidoo having ring issues and people buying aftermarket pistons with dual rings???? How much lighter of riding did you have to do in order to break in that belt?
I just hit the trail (ick) and put 90 miles on in a day. Sucked BAD, but ya gotta do it.

The newer engines have a "looser" fit on the pistons.
This is on purpose. The earlier 800 engines were much tighter (00-05). Polaris experienced problems though. people would start the engine and take off with the engine cold. This caused the pistons to heat up MUCH faster than the cylinders and cold siezing was an issue. By making them a little loser they have avoided most of that.
The down side to that is a slight loss in power (maybe 4 or 5 horse power) and you need to put new rings (at a minimum) every 1500-2000 miles.

The "FIX" as some are calling it gives a much tighter piston to cylinder fit, increasing HP and responsiveness, but I have heard of at least 2 of those blowing a head gasket. I am still on the fence about all this.

I have a 4 year bumper to bumper on mine so am not planning on touching anything. IF I did anything it would be the stage 4 from Starting Line Performance.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:18 PM   #20 (permalink)
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They should have left the clearances tight imo. It is the responsibility of the manufacturer to make a dependable, performing engine. It is the operators responsibility to treat their sled right.
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