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Old 11-08-2009, 07:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys, I am a new sled owner. I've ridden but never owned my own. Anybody know of good places to ride in Northeast Ohio? I live in Chesterland/Chardon area. Thanks.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Is that near pymatuming,if so i might be able to help u out
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm probably about an hour or so from there but that is fine as well. Any information would be appreciated.
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I live just across Pymatuming Lake about 15 miles in to Pa.
Theres alot country land out that way to ride on. I ride all over around this area of Ohio an Pa maybe we can meet and ride sometime.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:08 AM   #5 (permalink)
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There are lots of good trails over towards Erie Pa. I grew up in that area there are two clubs in that area that could be of some help to you. I know the trails run all the way to the Ohio/Pa state lline so you should be able to get to them from your area. You can ride their trails up into New York also but be sure to be registered in New York and have insurance as it is required and they are on the trails checking.

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I'm very interested in riding in PA and in New York. I am already registered in OH and am in the process of getting insurance. What are the rules for out of state riders in PA? Do i need to register my sled there? Thanks I will look into those clubs. And it would always be fun to meet up with more people to ride.
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Old 11-09-2009, 08:53 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Pa. is very rider friendly as long as your registered in Ohio your good to go no insurance required either. New York is a different story you must be registered there and have insurance no matter what. The cheapest way to do it is to find a new york club to join as the registration is cheaper for club members. I would check with the clubs I listed as they can lead you in the right direction to get set up in new York. I live in Michigan now and dont get back there to ride as much so I dont register in New york anymore.
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That's great thanks a lot Jerrys1. I am also interested in riding in Michigan. Do i have to register in that state or is New York the only one that is a real pain?
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:06 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Pa. is very rider friendly as long as your registered in Ohio your good to go no insurance required either. New York is a different story you must be registered there and have insurance no matter what. The cheapest way to do it is to find a new york club to join as the registration is cheaper for club members. I would check with the clubs I listed as they can lead you in the right direction to get set up in new York. I live in Michigan now and dont get back there to ride as much so I dont register in New york anymore.
In Pa insurance is required and should be registered to ride state land trails.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:57 AM   #10 (permalink)
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In Pa insurance is required and should be registered to ride state land trails.
Pa. does have a requirement for Liability ins but it is pretty much unenforceable because they left it openended in that there is no dollar amount on coverage specified. Not sure what their thinking is on that one and personally I carry full coverage on all my sleds but I have ridden Pa. for 35 years and never have I seen the insurance law enforced. Also so long as he is registered in Ohio there is no requirement for registering in Pa. no matter what land you are riding on. So long as the state you are registered with recognizes The Pa. registration you are good to go. Of all the states around Pa. New York is the only one that doesnt recognize Pa's registration Ohio and Michigan both do.

As for riding in Michigan you dont need to register but you do need to purchase a trail permit which can be purchased at most stores such as Wal-Mart or Meijer its good for the season and the monies are used to keep up the trails and pay for the groomers. I think it costs $35.00
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Old 11-09-2009, 11:47 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:07 PM   #12 (permalink)
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new sled owner here from Hambden , about 10 min east of you , right off chardon square.

i found out theres about a half dozen sled clubs around us you can join for cheap .

heres the link to the OSSA site with all the clubs on it :
OSSA Clubs (Ohio State Snowmobile Association)

CLUB # 9 is the one i will join soon . need to make sure my sled is A ok for the season first. theyre from montville. apparently you can get a membership for 35$ for first year, 30$ thereafter. you get an ohio sled magazine subscription and access to trails that go from us to austinburg in ashtabula. apparently you can go for 120 miles in one day on the trails. call Chip for details.
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Theres other clubs up my way that where you can run trails from NE-Oh to SW-NY
Heres the link. Welcome - Stateline Sno-Trackers
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:15 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Oh by the way Chardon Oh is only about 45 minets from me and there alot of great triails out that way.
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:10 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Allegheny trails

Lots of places to ride in PA. The Allegheny Is a good place to ride. Yes you do need insurance to ride. Michigan you need insurance as well. I was stopped in PA and asked for all of my documentation and it was all verified before he let me go!!!!! Besides, you have to have it before they will issue your permit. Michigan too, they are supposed to. I have a buddy that was stopped in Mich last year and asked for proof. Like I said the Allegheny is a good place to ride, we ride sleds and quads there, nice place. It takes me 2 1/12 hours to get there and I live 45min west of Akron.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:14 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I am not going to beat a dead horse I lived in Pa. for over thirty years and still ride there several times a winter as there is some great riding there and the clubs are making the trails better every year. My friends and I have been stopped at checkpoints on several occasions I have always had insurance on my sleds I wouldnt think of taking a $10,000 sled out without it but most of my friends dont have it and though they do ask for it they have never written a citation for no insurance simply because by having no $ amount specified in the requirement someone could simply contest it and say in court they are self insured for $1.00 dollar! again I dont condone it and personally think if your going to be out there on the trail you should at least have liability insurance in case you cause injury or damage to someone else.

As for michigan you are 100% wrong here is a copy of the michigan snowmobile regulations right from the Michigan DNR site. Again I dont agree with it especialy with the wide groomed trails and the high speeds that people run on them but there is no insurance requirement.



Michigan Snowmobile Regulations

Legal Definition of a Snowmobile:
"Snowmobile" means any motor-driven vehicle designed for travel primarily on snow or ice of a type that utilizes sled-type runners or skis, an endless belt tread, or any combination of these or other similar means of contact with the surface upon which it is operated, but is not a vehicle that must be registered under the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.1 to 257.923.

A Snowmobile May Operate on a Public Highway
Under the Following Conditions:


A snowmobile may be operated on the right-of-way of a public highway (except a limited-access highway) if it is operated at the extreme right of the open portion of the right-of-way and with the flow of traffic on the highway. Snowmobiles operated on a road right-of-way must travel in single file and shall not be operated abreast except when overtaking or passing another snowmobile.
A snowmobile may be operated on the roadway or shoulder when necessary to cross a bridge or culvert if the snowmobile is brought to a complete stop before entering onto the roadway or shoulder and the operator yields the right-of-way to any approaching motor vehicle on the highway.
A snowmobile may be operated across a public highway, other than a limited access highway, at right angles to the highway for the purpose of getting from one area to another when the operation can be done safely and another vehicle is not crossing the highway at the same time in the immediate area. An operator must bring his/her snowmobile to a complete stop before proceeding across the public highway and must yield the right-of-way to all oncoming traffic.
Snowmobiles may be operated on a highway in a county road system, which is not normally snowplowed for vehicular traffic; and on the right-of-way or shoulder when no right-of-way exists on a snowplowed highway in a county road system, outside the corporate limits of a city or village, which is designated and marked for snowmobile use by the county road commission having jurisdiction.
A Person Shall Not Operate a Snowmobile:


While under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
At a rate of speed greater than is reasonable for existing conditions.
In a forest nursery, planting area or public lands posted or reasonably identifiable as an area or forest reproduction when growing stock may be damaged or any designated wild, wilderness or natural area in the state.
On the frozen surface of public waters within 100 feet of a person, including a skater, not in or upon a snowmobile or within 100 feet of a fishing shanty or shelter except at the minimum speed required to maintain forward movement of the snowmobile, or on an area that has been cleared for ice skating, unless the area is necessary for gaining access to the public water.
Within 100 feet of a dwelling between the hours of midnight and 6 a.m. at a speed greater than the minimum required to maintain forward movement of the snowmobile.
Upon the land of another without consent of the owner or their agent, as required by the recreational trespass act.
In an area open to public hunting during the November 15-30 firearm deer season from 7 a.m. to 11 a.m. and from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m.
While transporting a bow unless it is unstrung or encased, or a firearm unless it is unloaded and securely encased.
? On or across a cemetery or burial ground, airport, railroad or a railroad right-of-way, or within 100 feet of a sledding, skiing or skating area.
To chase, pursue, worry or kill any wild bird or animal.
In a public or private parking lot in a careless or negligent manner.
Accident Reporting


The law requires that the operator of a snowmobile involved in an accident resulting in injury to, or death of, any person, or property damage in an estimated amount of $100 or more, must immediately notify a law enforcement agency within the county in which the accident occurred.
Driver License Information
Suspended Driver License


You may not operate a snowmobile if your license to operate an automobile has been suspended or revoked by Michigan or your home state.

Points Assessed to Your Driver Record

A person convicted of manslaughter, negligent homicide or a felony resulting from snowmobile operation shall have six points assessed against his/her driver record. A person convicted of operating a snowmobile while under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance, or with an unlawful blood alcohol content shall have six points assessed against his/her driver record. A person who is convicted of operating a snowmobile while visibly impaired due to consumption of alcohol or a controlled substance shall have four points assessed against his/her driver record.
Restrictions on Youthful Operation
A person under the age of 12:

May not operate a snowmobile without direct supervision of an adult, except on property owned or controlled by the parent or legal guardian.
May not cross a highway or street.
A person who is at least 12 but less than 17 years of age:

May operate a snowmobile if they have a valid snowmobile safety certificate in their immediate possession or are under direct supervision of a person 21 years of age or older.
May not cross a highway or street without having a valid snowmobile safety certificate in their immediate possession.
Safety Education and Training
Snowmobile safety education training is recommended for all snowmobile operators and is required for youth ages 12 to 17.

Here is a listing of Snowmobile Safety Courses Statewide.

Registration and Trail Permits


A snowmobile shall not be operated unless the owner first obtains a certificate of registration, registration decal and an trail permit sticker. The certificate of registration must accompany the snowmobile and be made available for inspection upon demand by a peace officer.
Before Operating


If owned by a nonresident, before operation in Michigan, a snowmobile must display a valid registration from the operator's home state or province, or be registered in Michigan.
The registration certificate expires on September 30 of the year indicated on the decal.
The color of the decal changes by year of expiration.
Any time a registered snowmobile is sold to another person, the registration also must be transferred. Contact the Secretary of State for transfer information.
State law requires that you affix the registration decals issued to the snowmobile to each side of the forward half of the cowl above the footwell. Beginning July 1, 1999, the registration decals display the registration number assigned to the snowmobile.
A person who desire to operate a snowmobile in this state shall obtain a snowmobile trail permit sticker The snowmobile trail permit sticker shall be valid for a period of one year, which begins October 1 and ends September 30 of the following year.
The trail permit sticker shall be permanently affixed to the forward half of the snowmobile directly above or below the headlight.
Snowmobile trail permits are available from snowmobile dealers, DNR offices and retail license agents throughout Michigan.
Snowmobiles are exempt from registration and having a trail permit if they are:

operated exclusively on lands owned or under the control of the owner.
used entirely in a safety education program conducted by a certified snowmobile safety instructor.
operated exclusively in a special event of limited duration which is conducted according to a prearranged schedule under a permit from the governmental unit having proper jurisdiction.

In addition, a snowmobile used solely for transportation on the frozen surface of public waters for ice fishing is exempt from the trail sticker requirement, but must still be registered.
Equipment Required

Brakes: Each snowmobile must have a breaking system capable of:


Stopping the snowmobile in not more than 40 feet from an initial speed of 20 miles per hour while the snowmobile travels on packed snow carrying an operator who weighs 175 pounds or more.
Locking the snowmobile's traction belt or belts.
Noise: Each snowmobile manufactured after July 1, 1977, shall be equipped with a muffler that does not exceed 78 decibels of sound pressure at 50 feet as measured by the 1974 SAEJ-192a.

Helmet: All persons operating or riding on a snowmobile must wear a Department of Transportation approved crash helmet.

Lighting: All snowmobiles must display a lighted head-light and taillight at all time during operation. However, the headlight shall not be covered with a lens cap of any color.
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Old 11-21-2009, 07:47 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Just got registration for 2 sleds in Ohio. You have to have liability insurance, valid drivers license, operational headlight and tail light, and operational mufflers. new owner first time registration was 38.25 for 3 years. The insurance company I went with was $95 for liability each machine in my sig.

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Old 11-21-2009, 09:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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It used to be only $8.50 in Ohio. They just raised the rates this spring. I renewed mine in February and paid $8.50 for three years. My buddy and brother in law went to get there four wheelers registered mid summer and they had to pay 30 some dollars for three years. Here they just changed that, they passed a law that all must be registered. Here I guess a bunch of people were trashing farmers fields so the law maker in that region got this to pass. Which is why the price increase because there is more work load and filing. Plus they claim part of that money is supposed to go towards new trails and places to ride. Here is a link if you were interested. There is also a link on the page with the new legislation.



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Old 11-22-2009, 09:51 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Ya also gotta watchout for the local law's. But who knows what they are if your not a local resident. Just hope for a blizzard, then anything is a go.
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Old 11-22-2009, 09:55 AM   #20 (permalink)
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If your looking for a snowmobile club in NY check out the CNY snow travelers, it will reduce your nys registration fee by 50 bucks if you join a club that costs 30.
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