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if this is in the wrong place please move it. had a great ride fri. afternoon until i and a friend came up on an accident between a snowmobile and a truck . snowmobile hit the suv missed STOP sign. seeing a man laying in the road with ems workers all around him kind of recked my and my buddies afternoon ride. and i'm sure it reck his day and his familys day and his buddies day and the person that was driving the suv . i do not know the outcome of this accident. just north of PELSTON MI. PLEASE, PLEASE, pay attention to signs. they are there for a reason.
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It will ruin anyone's day no matter what your on or in, and i fully agree If you follow the rules of the road/trail you'll make it home in one piece but there's always that one that thinks "it can't or wont happen to me" Pay attention and stay safe and live to ride another day


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Sometimes better signs would help too. There's a place up near my sisters house where there's a tiny stop sign at a road where the trail goes downhill to the intersection. If you're going fast and you hit the brakes when you first see the sign, you might stop somewhere in the middle of the road. Fortunately it's not too busy of a road, because people fly across all the time, but they did have at least one fatality that I know of.
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there are signs a few hundred feet before, telling you that there is a stop up ahead in mich.
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there are signs a few hundred feet before, telling you that there is a stop up ahead in mich.
Not always anymore. I know a lot of warning signs have been removed this season on our (Michigan) trails. Michigan Outdoors - Outdoor Recreation Guide - Hotels - Motels - Maps - Video - Michigan Interactive™ has an explanation for the change on their site. It does suck though when people get hurt or hurt others when they are being careless.

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Now watch this guy sue the snowmobile club for improper signage...

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Sometimes better signs would help too. There's a place up near my sisters house where there's a tiny stop sign at a road where the trail goes downhill to the intersection. If you're going fast and you hit the brakes when you first see the sign,


I would consider that more of a speed problem than the signs! I see people far too often going way too fast in ditches, way beyond what is safe. I like to go fast as much as the next guy, but I do it in open fields and on rivers/lakes where I know the terrain.

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People used to steal signs too... when I lived in NY (NY trails). We have a cure for that out West - we don't put up any signs...

Sorry to hear about this guy. I remember (vividly) an accident I came up on in NY over 6 years ago. One guy died in that one... It was a couple friends riding together. One got too far ahead, and turned around to find his buddy. One was on the wrong side of the trail (not marked very well - some people had created their own "second lane"). Anyway, they ended up coming up over a hill and hitting head-on. I remember seeing the helmet laying about 100 feet from the sled... Mercy Flight had already taken the rider away.

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Where this mishap occurred, the trail has STOP ahead signage and STOP signs, from both ways. You can be at the gas station across the street any time of day and watch riders blow this STOP continously. Sorry for the person and his two friends that were involved.
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Rough! Any word on how he is?
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Re: rant and rave

The spot I'm referring to is a long, straight section of old railroad bed that comes to a steep incline down to the road. It catches a lot of people unaware, as you can't see it until you're right on top of it. It's never the locals that go flying into the roads, it's people that don't know the road is there and get going too fast to stop. There needs to be warning signs before the intersection and a much larger stop sign to make it safe.
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Maybe a person could talk to their local snowmobile club and get bigger/more signs in areas that are consistently dangerous.....

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Doesn't matter if there's a stop sign or not. If you're crossing a road, you need to stop first. Doesn't matter if its a blind crossing. You shouldn't be driving so fast on unfamiliar trails.
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Doesn't matter if there's a stop sign or not. If you're crossing a road, you need to stop first. Doesn't matter if its a blind crossing. You shouldn't be driving so fast on unfamiliar trails.
Using that logic, there's no need for any signs at all, anywhere!
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I agree with the idea of stopping at every road before crossing. Most often I'm leading, and I've had people follow that blow right through intersections because they don't see anybody. Helmets restrict vision quite a bit.

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Of course you should stop for every road, that's not the point. You first have to know it's there before you can stop for it. Where this trail crosses, the trail drops down to meet the road, then rises to the same level on the other side. All you see as you approach is straight, wide trail in front of you until you get right on top of it. The speed limit is 55 and there are no warning signs. It is flat out dangerous! Why do people feel the need to argue?
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Unfortunately, that's the problem these days. People ride public trails WAY TOO FAST! Here in Michigan, unless otherwise noted, there's a 55 mph speed limit. I've never seen it enforced. Now, they've removed most signage in an effort to slow people down. Doesn't appear that it's working.

Unfortunately, there's quite a few riders that think signs are just guidelines, rules of the road don't apply to them, they're SO skilled that accidents can't happen to them, and so on. This chit is just going to continue until people change their views about general etiquette, rules of the road, other peoples safety and right to ride the same trails, and understanding that riding on trails is a privilege and not a right.

I'm very glad that the person that blew the sign didn't hurt someone else.

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