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Old 10-25-2009, 10:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wet plugs

Hey again guys, I am still waiting on my parts/clutch puller to arrive to complete suspension and clutch work so in the meantime, decided to look into another problem the sled has and that is wet plugs. History of this sled is I bought it last year before xmas, 300 miles later, piston on mag side hit exhaust port and I rebuilt top end with wiseco parts and a used cylinder from ebay. The sled has run great from the time I bought it, meaning it starts well, has lots of power and idles well. However it is a pig on fuel, gets maybe 5-6 mpg, this was measured before rebuild so likely better after, I only rode it 50 miles or so after rebuild and these were very hard miles as I wanted the rings to form to the cylinders. So my question is, since my plugs are wet, is this an oil issue or a fuel issue. As well, the machine is a 98 panther 550, book calls for 1 turn on the pilot jet screw, both carbs are at 1.25 turns, what are you guys running, could I go leaner. Lastly, what clip should I set the needles to, I am going to go up one ring on the needle and see if this helps. Any advice/tips is appreciated, John.
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Old 10-26-2009, 12:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Did you look at the oil adjustment? Could be you are putting too much oil in and when you try to start, oil that is coating the bottom end goes up and oil fouls the plugs. Do the plugs smell like gas? If it's carbs, there's some things to check...

There are four fuel "circuits" to look at in a Mikuni round slide carb. Check each one in turn, making sure you are properly jetted for temperature and elevation at which you ride.

First circuit- Enrichment circuit (choke).

It's not really a choke, as a choke blocks off part of the intake in the throttle, creating a vacuum that sucks up fuel into the airstream. The throttle enrichment circuit has a plunger on the side of the carb. It is activated in two stages via the lever. When you lift the lever, the plunger rises, letting more fuel in to enrich the fuel via fuel passageways to allow easier starting. If you have a plunger stuck open, that carb will always be flowing more fuel than necessary. (BAD FUEL MILEAGE) If you disassemble the carb and remove the plunger, you will see a neoprene seat on the bottom of the plunger. If the neoprene is really worn or has deep gouges in it, you may need to replace the plunger. About the only other thing that can go wrong is cable adjustment. Adjust the cable so that the lever is loose, and the lever moves slightly before it starts to move the plunger. That ensures that the plunger will bottom all the way into the plunger hole.

Second circuit- idle circuit

The fuel delivered from idle to about 1/4 throttle is delivered by the pilot jet. The air screw controls the amount of air going to an air/fuel mixing chamber, then that emulsified air/fuel is delivered to the crankcase/cylinders to run the engine. Any problems with idle can usually be associated to the pilot jet/air screw circuit. Turning the air screw IN will make the fuel/air ratio richer. Turning the air screw OUT will make the air/fuel mixture leaner. Problems in this circuit usually involve varnish that builds up in the circuit, especially as gasoline evaporates out of the fuel bowls over the summer. Cleaning the passageways and making sure the pilot jet is spotless are key points to keeping this circuit running. Sometimes you can go to a smaller pilot jet to reduce the amount of fuel being delivered at idle and that will help fuel mileage. However, if the sled idles fine and accelerates without hesitation, I wouldn't touch it, you're good to go.

Needle Jet/Jet Needle

Fuel from about 1/4 throttle to 3/4 throttle is metered from the main jet through the needle jet/jet needle. There are different needles with different tapers to add or subtract fuel in this circuit. As you already have indicated, there are five adjustment notches on the end of the needle that allow fine-tuning of this circuit. Lowering the jet needle by moving an E-clip UP on the needle will result in leaner mid-range fuel delivery. It is important to check piston wash/plug color when adjusting the needle jet by doing a mid-range "plug chop" to ensure you are not too lean. Too lean can cause temperatures in the combustion chamber hot enough to melt holes in the pistons. If you drop the needle, you will reduce fuel consumption, especially at mid-range. Just don't drop too much without testing!

Main Jet

At about 3/4 throttle, the jet needle in the needle jet is lifted out of the jet to where it no longer restricts fuel delivery from the main jet. Now the main jet size is the main controller of fuel/air mixture for running the sled. Jetting changes are dependant on temperature and elevation. As air gets colder, it becomes more dense. Dense air contains more air per volume, so more fuel is needed to keep the air/fuel ratio correct. Too lean, you burn holes in the pistons. Too rich, you foul plugs, get lousy fuel mileage, and the sled won't run. Elevation does the same; lower elevations have more air per volume, so you need more fuel. So, if it's warm and you are at higher altitude, jetting sizes will be smaller than if you were lower altitude on a very cold day. Use the manufacturer's jetting charts to determine if you are using the correct jet. Again, if you change jets, test. Do a wide open "plug chop" to determine that you have not gone too small.

Determine the main jet size first, then do the midrange adjusting. That will require pulling the plugs twice; once after a wide open pass, once after a mid-range pass. To do a plug chop, find a long straight stretch with good visibility (meadows work great) and hit the gas. Travel at least 1/4 mile and keeping your hand on the throttle, kill the engine. Stop the sled, then check the plugs. You are looking for a cardboard brown color on the insulator. Black plugs indicate a rich mixture, you can safely jet leaner (smaller) in your existing conditions. White plugs indicate a lean mix; you are close to burning down the engine. You need to jet richer (bigger). After you have the main jet determined, do the same pass at 1/2 throttle. If the plugs are black, drop the needle one notch by raising the E-clip up a notch, recheck. If they are white, raise the needle by lowering the E-clip down a notch. Recheck.

It takes a bit to get things dialed, especially if you are new to an area or have purchased a sled from someone that rides in a different area.

If getting the carbs dialed doesn't increase your fuel mileage, look at other systems such as fuel leaks, clutching, bad track alignment, worn or bent ski carbides, mis-aligned skis, stuck bogey wheel bearings, improper belt deflection, or improper clutch offset. You should be getting 9-10 mpg with that sled.

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Old 10-26-2009, 08:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Very good! I would also meter your oil usage! 1 qt to 12.5 gallons!
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks guys, holy crap Dan, lots of good stuff in your reply, thanks for taking the time to explain it in laymans terms, I have read bits and pieces of this in different threads, you should create a sticky on carb adjustment and plug symptoms. When I tore the engine apart after it blew, there was almost no carbon buildup, maybe a bit of the varnish you refer to on top of the pistons but very little. Previous owner at some point installed kimpex pistons, a ring spun in the one that hit the exhaust port, found other side cracked and ready to go. I am going to run one more tank of fuel 50:1 with the oil injection on to ensure it is working properly, (I removed it for cleaning during rebuild and added non synth oil for break in). After that, will try some plug chop runs moving the needle first and if need be change the jetting. I will also inspect cable play on choke cct and inspect the neoprene seats, ski alignment is also on my to do list once I get the track back in. I am running at near sea level here so should be able to leave jetting once dialed in. I realize the extra oil will wet the plugs since I have mix in the gas, this wet condition existed before the rebuild. I am hopeful that since I have done a ton of work to the drive train, track, suspension and rebuilt the top end, mileage will improve. One thing is for sure, buying a clunker for a first sled is a great way to learn. John
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