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Old 12-30-2007, 10:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Where's fuel filter? 95 EXT 580 EFI

Went riding yesterday, and this sled is still giving me fits only going ballz out when it wants to, which yesterday was'nt very much We got back to the house, i pulled the clutch cover to check primary/secondary operation at WOT and both were working just fine. I figured out why this sled was using soo much oil...the return spring on the oil pump was broken...so the pump arm was stuck WO and would'nt go back...so i just rigged up an old carburator return spring off a car and made that work...looots less smoke:

BIL rode it and he thinks it feels like a fuel delivery problem? and said to change the fuel filter...WTF is the fuel filter on here???? Could a low batery cause this too?? When ideling, the batt light is on, but when you give it gas it goes out. I checked batt voltage with machine off and it's 12.54 so it's okay, so trying to rule out electrical issue, and look towards the fuel system real quick...so where's the filter LOL

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Old 12-30-2007, 10:22 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Connected to the fuel pump inside the tank. If the batt is more than 3 y/o, may want to consider replacement.
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Old 12-30-2007, 11:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If the battery light is on at idle, you may need to change a "posistor" that tells the light to turn off after a short time. The other reason is that the battery is too old and needs to be replaced as is it is not accepting a charge well any more. If it is more than 3 years old, replace it. An old or weak battery will cause problems with the EFI.
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Well, i'll get a new battery just cuz, how in the world do you get at the fuel pump to check the filter? it's inside the tank i assume??? it looks to be a seperate component than the tank, so getting to it has to be somewhat easy?? right???

also, i noticed there is like a diapragm on the end of the fuel rail, appears to be tied in with the fuel return somehow. Anyways, there is a clear tube/hose coming off of it and just hanging int he breeze...it appears to be cut off..almost like it got pinched between something. We looked at BIL's polaris and he also has this vacuum canister looking thing (very small) at the end of his fuel rail and his hose/tube goes back to a port on the manifold, so we figured this is a vacuum controlled fuel by pass, but i looked up my stuff on the arctic cat parts catalog and they call it a vent tube, so i dunno??? hooked to the fuel rail it seems funny to me it'd be a vent tht would allow fuel to just drip/spray into the engine bay...but we looked for probably 20 minutes trying to find the other half of the hose or at least a spot that looks like the hose fell off of, but could'nt find anything.

If the battery/fuel filter dont wake this sled up I'm at a loss...our local dealer is 3 weeks out so it's be a long time before they could even get to it, and i'm trying to eliminate all the stupid things a normal guy can try and home to fix before paying $75/hr shop rate
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:42 PM   #5 (permalink)
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The fuel filter on my zr is about a foot from the fuel pump just trace the lines down
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I've done some more reserach and many posts with similar happenings as my sled all seem to revert back to the TSS and by passing it. They said if the filters were clogged, i'd get the bog/governed feeling even at low rpm's, but my sled only has issues at about 50mph where it stops pulling...like it has a governer on it to prevent it from going any faster...evey once in awhile it will work right and the sled rips, but more often than noe I'm stuck running 40-50mph....yesterday got so bas there was an hour stint of only being able to go 35-40mph...

I tried pulling a 3 wire connector apart, i heat shrinked the cneter pin like the stickey said to do...but the fuel pumo would'nt run...maybe i'm missing someting on the TSS??
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Yeah the center conector thing is diffrent on are sleds I believe. I ended up butchering the switch so dont go playing in there since its a tight fit back into the throttle assembly. Instead do you're rewiring @ the 3 pin conector itself. And it does sound like a TSS BTW, but if you wanted to be 100% on it not beign the filters its easy but somewhat time consuming to pull the filters out(2-3hrs or so for me). They are called "smart valves" and if you do a search on it you will probly find what you need, I did it a couple weeks ago. Good luck
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filters its easy but somewhat time consuming to pull the filters out(2-3hrs or so for me). They are called "smart valves" and if you do a search on it you will probly find what you need, I did it a couple weeks ago. Good luck

what are these smart filters?? how much are they are the for efi only? sounds cool id like to hookem up on my zr
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Yeah the center conector thing is diffrent on are sleds I believe. I ended up butchering the switch so dont go playing in there since its a tight fit back into the throttle assembly. Instead do you're rewiring @ the 3 pin conector itself. And it does sound like a TSS BTW, but if you wanted to be 100% on it not beign the filters its easy but somewhat time consuming to pull the filters out(2-3hrs or so for me). They are called "smart valves" and if you do a search on it you will probly find what you need, I did it a couple weeks ago. Good luck
I've done a ton of reading on the bypass deal, and yeah, i think it is different on our sleds, you dont happen to know which wire needs cut, or which ones get bypassed to what do you? I plan on tinkering with it tomorrow and seeing what kind of mess i can get myself into, but i hate to just start jumping wires hoping to stumble onto the correct sequence...all the carb guys/newer sleds talk about cutting the yellow wire, but if i recall, last time i tried the heat shrink deal i did'nt have a yellow wire, they were like blue, white, and something else...honestly cant remember. i'll get the voltmeter out and see what's hot, and what's not and go from there, but if anybody has any idea on what i need to do, pleas let me know. Like i said, i've searched the snot out of it and thus far nothing is comparing to what my sled has as far as wires go, and eliminating center pin, etc...

thanks thus far guys
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I've done a ton of reading on the bypass deal, and yeah, i think it is different on our sleds, you dont happen to know which wire needs cut, or which ones get bypassed to what do you? I plan on tinkering with it tomorrow and seeing what kind of mess i can get myself into, but i hate to just start jumping wires hoping to stumble onto the correct sequence...all the carb guys/newer sleds talk about cutting the yellow wire, but if i recall, last time i tried the heat shrink deal i did'nt have a yellow wire, they were like blue, white, and something else...honestly cant remember. i'll get the voltmeter out and see what's hot, and what's not and go from there, but if anybody has any idea on what i need to do, pleas let me know. Like i said, i've searched the snot out of it and thus far nothing is comparing to what my sled has as far as wires go, and eliminating center pin, etc...

Try arcticchat.com and go under the zr section up top its a sticky theres the how-to by pass the tss
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what are these smart filters?? how much are they are the for efi only? sounds cool id like to hookem up on my zr
Smart valves are the pickups in the tank on EFI sleds. There like a one way valve letting gas trought but not out. They also filter contaminents out of the gas including water sometimes. I had crappy gas in my tank and when I pulled the valves out they where suronded by ice . The gas was from Crapy Tire BTW.
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Smart valves are the pickups in the tank on EFI sleds. There like a one way valve letting gas trought but not out. They also filter contaminents out of the gas including water sometimes. I had crappy gas in my tank and when I pulled the valves out they where suronded by ice . The gas was from Crapy Tire BTW.

Ahh ic thanks for clearing that up for me man im not familair with efi no dout there gas is $hit at crappy tire i only buy gas from petro canada, one smaller station i've never had a problem with is ultramar they dont water down there fuel
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THIS is what i have. So i am i right to assume i can just unplug the 3 way plug, and on the sled side of the harness, make a jumper and completely eliminate the outside/yellow wire??
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Yeah this is it but you wont have a kill switch after. A freind of mine whent and filled up a 5 gal. can a gas @ crapy. Put it in the pack of his truck and left it there for a couple hours. Came back to fill his sled up. In the proccess he heard chuncks wobling inside the tank. There where actual ice chuncks in it!
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Yeah this is it but you wont have a kill switch after. A freind of mine whent and filled up a 5 gal. can a gas @ crapy. Put it in the pack of his truck and left it there for a couple hours. Came back to fill his sled up. In the proccess he heard chuncks wobling inside the tank. There where actual ice chuncks in it!
Thats the reason I dont like buying things from them they water there gas down, charge for everything, have you ever boughten there tools mastercrap? proally the worst tools ever made there screw drivers the heads break, there wrenches openup if u apply to much force to em etc. and there lifetime warrenty is Bs they hassle you cause you dont have the bill even tho its stamped right on the tool and when you wanna return somthing all they wanna do is give you another one why would you want another one of somthing that just broke? so you can come back next week and get another? damn i hate that store!
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LOL, so long as i got the fix outta here, you can talk about gas flavored slushies all you want
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