ACT Diamond Drive or Chain Case - Snowmobile Forum: Your #1 Snowmobile Forum
http://www.snowmobileforum.com
Go Back   Snowmobile Forum: Your #1 Snowmobile Forum > Specific Snowmobile Forums > Arctic Cat Snowmobiles


» Sponsors





Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-06-2005, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
gman250's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Posts: 189
Question ACT Diamond Drive or Chain Case

What’s the verdict on the pros/cons?

I know Diamond is smoother and chops about 11 pounds
But no reverse with the Diamond Drive.

Anybody got any info on acceleration or top speed comparisons?

Happy Holidays!
__________________
04 F7
00 Magnum 500 ATV
78 Yamaha 250ET
http://community.webshots.com/user/gman250_500
gman250 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 12-06-2005, 07:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
four gear pinned
 
sesnopro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: southren mn
Posts: 1,991
both work well, chian would be better if you dont know much about mechanics, DD will out preform a chian though.
__________________
http://www.hiperf.com/
http://www.studboytraction.com/
sesnopro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2005, 08:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
I am the Walrus
 
letitsnow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Western NY
Posts: 1,489
could someone explain diamond drive? is it a gear drive instead of chains?
__________________
My Pics
1999 Arctic Cat ZL 440
1994 SkiDoo Mach 1 583
1995 Honda CR 125R
1982 Camaro w/ 355
letitsnow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 12:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
four gear pinned
 
sesnopro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: southren mn
Posts: 1,991
there is 2 gears that run of each other , after that there is a planetary set(john deere) that spins the track

Why john deere you ask? the ACT DD drive is the same as a john deere tractor rear end more or less.
Attached Thumbnails
ACT Diamond Drive or Chain Case-0740-711_s.jpg  
__________________
http://www.hiperf.com/
http://www.studboytraction.com/
sesnopro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 12:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
Registered User
 
snowandski88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Plymouth, MI
Posts: 375
DD also allows for lower RPM engagment which will reduce trenching for people who like powder.
__________________
Leave me alone i cant spell and i know it. Anyone else a member of Canada Creek Ranch? PM if so.

2 - 1976 Jag 440
1 - 2005 Arctic Cat Z440 LX stock
1 - 1995 Wildcat 700 EFI clutch kit, twin exhaust
1 - 2007 F1000 SP D&D Y-Pipe, D&D power single pipe, boondocker EFI kit, highflow intake.
snowandski88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 02:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
King of the Universe
 
IndianRvrShiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rochester Hizzle, MI
Posts: 6,678
All this sounds like mumbo-jumbo!! There is no functional difference other than the weight savings, mentioned by g-man. The DD does nothing the chaincase doesn't do, which is simply transfering the rotation of the jack shaft to the drive shaft. Each has the ability of gear reduction. The DD is simply better for weight & package! All clutching theory remains the same! Acceleration & top speed are uneffected.
__________________
********************
2003 AC F5 (Jr's Dec 07 SOTM & 2008 SOTY)
2003 AC F7 EFI SP (April 06 SOTM)
********************


"It's a public access forum, you post stupidity, expect to get flamed." - RJ Gleason
IndianRvrShiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 02:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
Go Wings!
 
skidoo_magoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,636
why cant they have reverse with a DD?
skidoo_magoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 03:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
four gear pinned
 
sesnopro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: southren mn
Posts: 1,991
cat still has mechanical reverse.


no advantages!? how about never having to replace/worrie about the chain, less parasidic losses and no jackshaft + a more responsive brake.

bottom line less parts do more, is a winner in my book.
__________________
http://www.hiperf.com/
http://www.studboytraction.com/
sesnopro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 03:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
King of the Universe
 
IndianRvrShiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rochester Hizzle, MI
Posts: 6,678
Quote:
Originally posted by sesnopro
cat still has mechanical reverse.


no advantages!? how about never having to replace/worrie about the chain, less parasidic losses and no jackshaft + a more responsive brake.

bottom line less parts do more, is a winner in my book.
No jackshaft!!???? How does the power get from the 2ndary to the gearbox??

Nobody said "no advantages!" Just said they do the same thing!!

Time to read things a little better, sesnopro!!
__________________
********************
2003 AC F5 (Jr's Dec 07 SOTM & 2008 SOTY)
2003 AC F7 EFI SP (April 06 SOTM)
********************


"It's a public access forum, you post stupidity, expect to get flamed." - RJ Gleason
IndianRvrShiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 05:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
four gear pinned
 
sesnopro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: southren mn
Posts: 1,991
Diamond Drive does not use a jackshaft becuse the gear case is on the pto side of the sled, thus the driven clutch is conected directly to the upper gear and the brake rotor is on the drive shaft. they are no were near the samething, plus it looks like you need to study a bit more IndianRvrShiver if you dont even know how Diamond Drive works.
__________________
http://www.hiperf.com/
http://www.studboytraction.com/
sesnopro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 07:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
800cc + or go home
 
jtman04401's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Maine
Posts: 34
Re: ACT Diamond Drive or Chain Case

Quote:
Originally posted by gman250
What’s the verdict on the pros/cons?

I know Diamond is smoother and chops about 11 pounds
But no reverse with the Diamond Drive.

Anybody got any info on acceleration or top speed comparisons?

Happy Holidays!
Do you want reverse in your sled? If so dont even bother to look at any with the diamond drive... no reverse option available.

I will stick with my chainase thank you.
__________________
"Freedom is too precious to be held by the LEFT hand."
jtman04401 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2005, 07:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
King of the Universe
 
IndianRvrShiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rochester Hizzle, MI
Posts: 6,678
You're correct...no conventional jackshaft!! I humbly bow down to you sesnopro!!
But I stand by my original post that they perform the same function, namely transfering the torque from the 2ndary to the track, albeit, with less weight, moving parts & better package. Conventional clutching theory/practice still holds. The DD has no effect on acceleration or top speed which was the original question posted by gman.
__________________
********************
2003 AC F5 (Jr's Dec 07 SOTM & 2008 SOTY)
2003 AC F7 EFI SP (April 06 SOTM)
********************


"It's a public access forum, you post stupidity, expect to get flamed." - RJ Gleason
IndianRvrShiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2005, 10:38 AM   #13 (permalink)
Registered User
 
gman250's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Posts: 189
Thanks for all the reply’s. A good friend of mine chose chain on his new 06 F7 and reverse being the only reason why. Electronic reverse of some sort, BRP style, would be far better than the mechanical setup on my 04 F7. I know my 04 700XCSP reverse was outstanding. I do believe they traded that technology with BRP.

Anyway, 30cm of snow coming tonight. I think we may get our first ride tomorrow.

Happy Holidays and safe sledding!
__________________
04 F7
00 Magnum 500 ATV
78 Yamaha 250ET
http://community.webshots.com/user/gman250_500
gman250 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2005, 06:11 PM   #14 (permalink)
Go Wings!
 
skidoo_magoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,636
couldnt be, because your engine doesnt stop and run backwards...

yeah, do some riding! ill be out this weekend.
skidoo_magoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2010, 07:11 PM   #15 (permalink)
Gotta Race
 
chevrolaid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: East Rochester, NY
Posts: 2
Dd

diamond drive saves wieght. I was told by arctic cat dealer that diamond drive cannot MPH as good, but them guys half time don't know half of what they should. I do know one thing for sure, if it breaks it is big dollars to fix. there is a planetary in there. hope this helps. I can't find to much info on it.
Attached Thumbnails
ACT Diamond Drive or Chain Case-22642_103029083054084_100000409775961_77146_2641208_n.jpg  
chevrolaid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2010, 07:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
Gotta Race
 
chevrolaid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: East Rochester, NY
Posts: 2
Dd

ACT Diamond Drive Conversion Kit
This kit fits all ACT Diamond drives manufactured from 2005 to 2010 and transforms them into a custom High Performance driven clutch.
FEATURES

1.Currently the only torsional kit on the market to work with 2009-2010 electronic reverse.


2. Uses torsion spring technology.

3. Uses quick-change helix technology.

4. Easy to work on design.

5. Uses low cost helix and springs.

6. Greater selection of helix and springs.

7. Easy external roller replacement design.

8. Uses high quality CPC aero-space rollers.

BENEFITS

1. The use of torsion spring technology improves up shift(acceleration)and back shift.

2. Superior engineering allows for quick change of the spring and helix in less than 2 minutes.

3. Rollers can be replaced in seconds without clutch disassembly using an Allen wrench.

4. Increases belt life due to a decrease in belt heat.

5. Consistant clutch shifting characteristics due to higher lubricity and longer wearing rollers.

CP-000-0302 Diamond Drive Conversion $299.99
Attached Thumbnails
ACT Diamond Drive or Chain Case-version2.jpg  
chevrolaid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-01-2010, 07:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
TRH- Troll Raising Hell
 
JheLrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Medina, MN
Posts: 6,116
Whoa! Bringing back a thread from 2005!
JheLrey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 02:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
Registered User
 
bsogn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11
i will have to say all this is bull.....i have heard it sucks 10 horse from dudes that have dynoed it..... but in my personal experiences it is not smoother possibly worse, clutching is different for some reason as well.....if it werent for that planetary it would be awesome why do they need the planetary??? why cant they simply gear it down to the desired gear ration then leave it
bsogn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 02:45 PM   #19 (permalink)
Trevor
 
YamahaSS440's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 4,126
WAY old thread, but when something goes bad in the DD, you better have some good money to fix it! I don't like them.
__________________
2009/2010 Miles:900
2010/2011 Miles:1300
2011/2012 Miles:530
2012/2013 Miles:1050
YamahaSS440 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 03:58 PM   #20 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 10
No reverse on DD

Yes most of the newer models come with reverse. My 2008 with diamond drive has a reverse button. The motor does not run backwards like Ski Doo but they do have reverse, works very well.
catsrg8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:22 AM.



Copyright SnowmobileForum.com

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0